It was such a joy to work on Sakuradamon dori back when they used to do that to the russian embassy. I envy you being able to have your work day interrupted like that. Us folks up the hill a bit dont get to hear them at all.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao arrives in Tokyo today for an 'ice-melter' trip - maybe that's why Abe wants to keep the boys in the black trucks out of sight?

as a bit of a performer yourself i'm actually surprised you don't seem to realize that what these guys are doing is basically closer to performance than to political action and in a sense it is remarkable for that. this also partly explains why they are basically widely accepted or simply ignored by the public. i mean they're not exactly running around terrorizing the population are they. (everyone loves their yakuza when they run the foodstalls at the matsuri)

No, I agree that it's performance, but it's also very cynical and economic rather than purely ideological. These guys are the "political wing" of an organization of business who do not want to pay taxes or color within the lines. They make their $$$ through kickbacks and extortion, and these daily performances are part of the business.

This is the point where in the past someone would have explained (postulated) that "politics", "wings", "business", "taxes", "colours", "lines", "kickbacks" and "extortion" are cultural terms whose Japanese meaning you just wouldn't understand.

Isn't the standard spelling 'pwn'? You know, since it originated as a mispelling of 'own'.

Anyway, carry 0n.

And where is the evidence for the generalization that:

[...These guys are the "political wing" of an organization of business who do not want to pay taxes or color within the lines. They make their $$$ through kickbacks and extortion, and these daily performances are part of the business...]

- since it is obvious from a cursory survey of the history of these groups that quite a number of them are not demonstratably affiliated with business/yakuza syndicates. It seems that you never resist an opportunity to slide your overarching thesis of *that* mysterious hand which rocks the Japanese cradle into your posts. A lot of these guys are more Fred Phelps and less nomadic participants in street pundit payola. You ought to resist temptation once in a while. Sometimes a crazy dude is just a crazy dude, and a black bus just a black bus.

Marxy:

What purpose do the performances serve? Would you describe the Uyoku as a marginal entity (politically) or are they representing a politically influential movement?

I admit I'm still having trouble wrapping my head around the "political arm of the yakuza" thing. Makes 'em sound like Sinn Fein but without the veneer of respectability.

I think almost every major city in North America has a public protest movement, but in most places and cases they're far-left rather than far-right.

They're also rarely very influential, though as left-leaning causes gain momentum, the same core of protesters and organizers often end up in front of larger-than-usual crowds.

The key thing is that the cause varies slightly from week to week, but the faces don't vary much, and again, it's a movement that seems as much about public activity (performance, if you will) as about influence.

"since it is obvious from a cursory survey of the history of these groups that quite a number of them are not demonstratably affiliated with business/yakuza syndicates."

I don't know if we can throw out numbers, but I think it can be said that a majority or near a majority of the major uyoku groups are yakuza-backed. The Nihon Seinensha was founded, if I remember correctly, by the same Kobayashi who founded the powerful Kobayashi-kai (sub unit of the Sumiyoshi-kai). And apparently, the guy who firebombed the house of Kato Koichi was the member of a Korean-uyoku group affiliated with the Sumiyoshi-kai.

There are some purely ideological groups, perhaps, but my guess is that the ones more prone to violence are yakuza-affiliated business units rather than just "crazy guys."

Another interesting debate is whether the Koreans who make up a huge part of the uyoku troops are in it for the paycheck or whether they have actually internalized a logic that glorifies the Japanese imperialist cause.

Second interesting question: do they uyoku hate China on a principle of anti-Communism or are they just uncomfortable with their once proud possession rising up to an equal level?

the Koreans who make up a huge part of the uyoku troops are in it for the paycheck or whether they have actually internalized a logic that glorifies the Japanese imperialist cause

Must be hard for Koreans to get a job in Japan?

Here's a not so happy view: Koreans are so oppressed in Japan that their only way to earn a decent living is to become affiliated with crime syndicates, which makes them end up backing political forces that provide ideological support for their own oppression.

Not exactly.Most of the pachinko(about 80%)are belonged to Koreans(other 10% belong to Taiwanese and only 10% belong to Japanese national of which are believed to be the naturalized of the two ethnic groups).Pachinko industry is about 29 trillion yen.(Automobile industry in Japan is about 37 trillion yen)This,mostly run by family owned business.I talked to an economist back then and he thinks this is the biggest group of family owned business in the world next to the petroleum industry owned by the families of emirates in UAE.

Personally,I don't think there is discrimination to Koreans in employment to big corporation in the past 20 years.I know for a fact Dentsu hire at least three Zainichi Koreans and NHK hires four.And Asahi two.Never done serious reearch but this is from personal intersections.Not a bad pecentage for a group of 700000 thousand.Most of the reluctance,if there is,for corporation employee to hire Zainichi Koreans are probably come from the fact that they do not hold Japanese nationality.Not to say
the discrimination disappears,but it is fair to say conventional wisdom in the business society is discrimination is indecent.Some how Korean society has mixed feeling about these sucess by fellow men,for that could speed up the integration of Zainichi Korean to Japanese society which usually means getting Japanese nationality and stop bein the member of Mindan and Chosen Souren.

The English word "ethnic Koreans"are rather confusing because there is no statistic of how many Koreans are there who have Japanese Nationalities.

Uyoku relationship probably come from three factors.
1)Many are ex-Yakuza.Yakuzas especially who lost the turf war usually "retires"from Yakuza world with the recognition of the sister organization and unofficial recognition of the local police authority.Then he(100%male)become "katagi",the ordinary.Many who has no money are recruited to "political societies"政治結社.Which is a legitimate political groups guarantee it's existence by the constitution.They are what we call uyoku.

2)After the war,Korean emigre society was divided in two.The left joined The Communist Party of Japan and the right formed various groups that eventually become Mindan. But some especially those who were police officer during Japanese days were purged from the formation of the group.They joined Japanese nationalist.

3)Immigrant sometimes become more passionate
patriot than original native.Post-war Uyoku is basically anti communist and not imperialist like
pre-war days(for there us no room to colonize in post WW2 East Asia)And found Taiwan and South Korea as the ally of Anti communist crusade.

Thanks for the reality check, Aceface.

"Post-war Uyoku is basically anti communist and not imperialist like pre-war days"

But they have taken up the language of the imperialists. There is nothing inherent about "respect the emperor" and 國體 in anti-communism. These groups find their strength and historical legacy in ultra-nationalism of the pre-war.

"Most of the pachinko(about 80%)are belonged to Koreans"

I am crazy to think that pachinko is mob-related at a certain level. It's also cop-related though...

Have you read the biography of Masutatsu Oyama(「大山倍達正伝」2006,新潮社)?

There is a interesting part about Koreans living in the mainland Imperial Japan who joined many pan-asiatic societies. Especialy the "East Asian Federation 東亜連盟" , a movement created and led by General Kanji Ishihara, the original plot planner of the Manchu-guo,seems to had a great impact on them. These Koreans tried to gain independence in the realm of Japanese pan-asiatic vision under the rule of the Japanese emperor.

The post WW2 history of Zainichi Koreans depicted in this book is also very interesting, some becoming communist, some fighting against the communist and some creating the original post WW2 Uyoku organizations, which today are considered as "Traditional Uyoku　伝統右翼", thus differing from the "Yakuza Uyoku 任侠右翼".

In another book 「右翼の言い分」,written by Manabu Miyazaki, there is also an interesting description how the Japanese and Zainichi traditional Uyoku cooperate. The Zainichi will not stand up during the Japanese national anthem is playing, refusing to salute the Sun flag, but still they cooperate with the Japanese side to creat an Asia led by the Japanese emperor.

In another word, anti occident and anti-America bonds them together.

Both books highly recommended.

>These groups find their strength and historical legacy in ultra-nationalism of the pre-war.

you know the signifier - signified link is always much weaker and polivalent here than in the west. (that's of course because japan has understood post-modernism long before :-)

a change of the critical grid and method would be nice. the tendency to end up looking for weapons of mass destruction in other people' s backyard is not cool, even in its latent phase. As a (more or less) westerner i feel seriously embaressed by my fellows' slogan-shouting against anti-korean discrimination and the like.

there's an interesting Akira Asada article (floating somewhere on the internet) where while mildly criticizing the american academic model with its department-ization (black studies, women's studies, etc ) and its capacity for 'empowering', even suggesting the opposite, he's contrasting it on a conceptual level with the japanese system where for example one can not even conceive 20th century japanese literature without automatically including "ethnic korean" writing - not as a 'minority' but as an integral part.

Obviously over-empowering and self-segregation have the potential to be very bad for social cohesion, but "ignoring difficult issues of difference" is not the same as actively encouraging an inclusive meaning for "Japaneseness." You would have no pop singers in Japan without the Korean community, but most of the singers oddly choose to hide their heritage.

I have a feeling that the burakumin and Korean communities do not join the yakuza in droves because they deem it as the best possible life choice out of a wide spectrum of opportunities. Even without active discrimination today, they are still situated in a class background which stems directly from active oppression in the past.

Discussing the nature of discrimination isn't the same as "slogan-shouting." I guess to be polite we should probably not talk about anything controversial though.

> Discussing the nature of discrimination isn't the same as "slogan-shouting."

yes, there's a fine line there where, especially as a small crowd gathers, things can slip into a sort of hysteric debido-ism (as a group phenomenon. i said it before i rather respect the man himself)

also you seem to be assuming that the current american, australian, to some degree western european, multicultural model where one is forced to assimilate while again equally forced to mentain their ethnic pride is the correct one.

I don't remember calling for any boycotts of anything.

Actually, the police were just being cockblocks last night. Today, the vans are back and crazy loud and cruising the drag like it was American Graffiti.

"" You would have NO pop singers in Japan without the Korean community"

Umm... What?

A lot of pop singers are secretly Korean. Same goes with athletes.

Okay, "a lot of enka singers were/are secretly Korean."

Care to make any Hypothesis as to why this is so?

The entire what you want in a model theory, someone that looks compleatly perfect, but just a little bit different enough as to stand-out?

Some secret cartel of Korean bussinessmen secretly in control and pulling the strings of the east asian pop industry?

On the other note, how often does Kimura Kaela and Becky and thoese other fine white halfie(espically the one like Kaela that are less noticable) folks talk about thier heritage?

At least for enka singers, the prominence of ethnic Korean singers is probably the same reason that the yakuza was directly involved in artist management - "entertainment" was not exactly a wholesome field.

Yep. Cops a plenty out tonight. Deployed 10 men wide, 4 deep in front of Akasaka Mitsuke and I could see multple cop busses down the road.

Ya know what? I'm not all that familiar with what Korea was like before Japan invaded. Guess I'll read up on that somehow.

so, is that "p0wned" like post-ironic 1337? i don't think i've ever seen the p and the 0 occur simultaneously in that particular lexical item.

Lots of great info I had never heard before on this thread, folks, very informative! Helps illuminate the seeming cognitive dissonance going on with the overlap in ethnic Koreans (North, South, and naturalized), yakuza, and police. Also very funny to know that even Yakuza have amakudari! Seems the disavowed power structure functions similarly to the official one. I've heard that there is antagonism between yakuza-linked uyoku and "purely political" uyoku, anyone know if this is accurate?

[...I think it can be said that a majority or near a majority of the major uyoku groups are yakuza-backed...]

Why conflate what we understand to be the classical Uyoku groups with more recent, and even adhoc nationalist groups that are formed by the Yakuza. In reality, isnt there a level of discord between the former and the latter? I certainly do understand that within the past 20 years, Yakuza have coopted varying nationalist causes as fronts for their business dealings - but, should this count as part of your Chronicles of Uyokia? Now, I have no idea as to the actual identity of the black truckers outside your place of domicile, but if they are in fact Yakuza fronts - then subsuming their actions into the all embracing Uyoku umbrella creates an analytical mess: kinda like the modern day Republican Party subsuming Libertarian Business interests with their amoral zeitgeist as well as crazy ass Christian right wingers with their Mullah envy.

[...Another interesting debate is whether the Koreans who make up a huge part of the uyoku troops are in it for the paycheck or whether they have actually internalized a logic that glorifies the Japanese imperialist cause...]

The latter is not improbable, to the extent that zainichi are members of classical Uyoku groups: Such behavior has been observed amongst countless groups: How many Nazi party affiliates fit the stereotype of the blonde, blue eyed Aryan? Were they any less dedicated? There are women opposed to women liberation, gays opposed to gay rights and blacks which oppose a lot of what we have come to understand to be civil rights. Certainly, if one has a cynical view of Japanese society where business dominates all, then one sees economies of scale in everything.

[...Second interesting question: do they uyoku hate China on a principle of anti-Communism or are they just uncomfortable with their once proud possession rising up to an equal level?...]

Why not ask Ishihara? John Nathan recounts that Ishihara espoused disdain for Communism way back in the 60s when as yet China wasnt rising anywhere - Ishiharas reasons resonate with pretty much of all of Japans literate classes who came to share his viewpoints. Again, all of China was hardly a Japanese possession: The truth is that many felt that the threat of Japanese communism was real: Japanese anarchists and communists did pose an Internal threat to the class and social structure of the country.

[...Koreans are so oppressed in Japan that their only way to earn a decent living is to become affiliated with crime syndicates, which makes them end up backing political forces that provide ideological support for their own oppression...]

Tres chic mais probablement faux - This kind of thinking underpines the entire Chomskyan program of social criticism: i.e. that there are such things as abstractly defined and proper interests for certain groups. The idea of amour propre informs such witty, but ultimately lacking texts as - Whats the Matter with Kansas - wherein we learn that Middle American conspires against its own interests by siding with the conservative program. Such views are a staple of liberal, North Eastern, Ivy League snoberry that simply assumes an unfathomable level of denseness on the parts of working class hicks in Kansas and Nebraska who refuse to support social programs that would favor them economically (conveniently projected from the Democratic platform) and instead support a fiscal conservatism that disfavors - why? Because they ate deceived by the moralistic social values message of the Republican party. It also underpines the whole Manufacturing Consent school of thought that assumes that people are too stupid to realize that they are being played by ad agencies - or that SE Asian sweatshop workers are so oppressed that they end up working for the very factories that oppress them. So what shall we call these Koreans? May I suggest Uncle Tong-yeop? Such a moniker, borrowed from the Uncle Tom social type so incessantly deployed in American politics would do well capture the accusation of false consciousness that you are launching against them.
What next - are we to believe that there was actually any substance to Buthelezi being branded pro-apartheid by the Black Consciousness Movement simply because he declared strongly against Communism?

[...These groups find their strength and historical legacy in ultra-nationalism of the pre-war...]

A strength and legacy that was born as a result of a radical infiltration of Japanese society. The Imperial office itself was a response to such infiltration; yet, the legacy itself was not fully consolidated until after the War, when the US actively engaged the so called Nationalists and Imperialists to staunch the tide of Communism. Where was the Imperialism then? Where was the Nationalism then? Even assuming that what survives of todays Uyoku - with their ridiculous perfomances and outlandish views is some kind of social skeumorph - we would still find very little support for a strength and legacy rooted entirely in prewar ultranationalism. A better place to look would be the post war anxiety of both the United States and Japan in the face of a rising USSR.

"I've heard that there is antagonism between yakuza-linked uyoku and "purely political" uyoku, anyone know if this is accurate?"

I was walking down the Jinbocho with Mutantfrog today and saw the uyoku black van playing the main theme of "The battle without honor or humanity"all out loud!(The original Fukasaku one,not the KillBill one).

"Why not ask Ishihara?"

He's not so much an "uyoku" in the context we have been discussing as a mainstream politician with right-wing views. A lot of the uyoku groups are extra-political: either fronts for criminal organizations or pursuing terrorist action against limited targets.

"Tres chic mais probablement faux"

I like your counterpoint, and I appreciate it. I will say, however, that the uyoku Koreans in Japan strike me as having the same psychology as poor whites in the American South. They both hope for the return of a system - either Imperial Japan or the Confederate States - that never really gave them much benefit when it existed. What these systems did give them though was a place in the hierarchy. For poor whites, they may have been oppressed and poor, but at least they lived on a plane one step above the Blacks. For Korean Japanese, they were at least part of the big Japanese family - seeing that Japan and Korea were "one nation" based on "one race." Once the War ended, the first thing that the Japanese govt did was to get rid of nationality for Koreans.

So people may not necessarily work towards rational goals, but they do seem to idealize old systems that gave them a strong sense of membership within a strict order.

"i don't think i've ever seen the p and the 0 occur simultaneously in that particular lexical item."

It's only used this way on the Internet.

Another issue:

So we have the "yakuza uyoku" who I think we can say are pretty cynically attached the political framework (in the same way that they use anti-Burakumin discrimination for extortion). Then we have the "ideological uyoku" who do have political goals.

What to make about the Unification Church/Sasakawa wing of the uyoku? Yesterday's trucks were at least partially from this faction. Here we have Nobel Prize candidate and Compassionate Fascist working hand-in-hand with crook spirtualist Rev. Moon to "fight communism" but I think it's not hard to see that there may be other goals behind the scenes.

This faction is also the most politically connected. The Nippon Foundation basically spends govt money that they earn from the boat gambling monopoly on whatever they want. PMs Nakasone and Kishi both asked Reagan to let Moon out of prison in the US. Sasakawa's people protect Fujimori and basically get the immigration people to not really ask the difficult questions of Fujimori's nationality and place of birth.

"What to make about the Unification Church/Sasakawa wing of the uyoku? "
There is a chap called Kodama Yoshio,a right wing fixer who died in the 80's.He was born in a financially troubled family of ex-Samurai and sent to the relative who was living in colonial Korea.He spent his adolescence in Korea in the 20's and became radical nationalist.He got busted couple of times in the 30's,but recruited as agent of military intelligence.Of which he became known for looting rare metals from occupied territories.
After the war Kodama became CIA agent and he helped forming LDP by financing from his own hidden war time booties.That,along with his connection with Abe's grand pa Kishi Nobusuke made him sort of king of the underworld who does the dirty job for LDP.

It was Kodama who was asked by Rev.Moon to build International federation for the victory over communism.Probably because of his Korean experience along with his connection to the LDP.It is said that Rev.Moon built the organization to make pro-Seoul lobby in Japan by the request from Park Chung Hee.Kodama reached to long time friend Sasakawa Ryouichi who was already a head of Japanese branch of the World Anti Communist League headed by Chang Kai Shek of Taiwan.

"The Nippon Foundation basically spends govt money that they earn from the boat gambling monopoly on whatever they want. "
Sasakawa monopolized with Yakuza intrusion organized by Nippon Motorboat Shinkou Kyoukai.So it is their money now.not government's.And for the record Sasakawa did spend the money pretty good which makes his reputation complicated.He did build many hansen's disease nursury in Africa,gave scholarship to more than one thousand Chiese medical students and international cultural exchange.James Fallows used the grant drom Sasakawa for his stay in Japan 20 years ago of which was crystalized in the form of the Atlantic Monthly essay "Containing Japan"!
I used to subscribe Japanese edition of "International WILDLIFE"magazine published from National Wildlife Federation in the U.S.Sasakawa gave money to natural conservation advocacy from late 70's.

Nippon Foundation was formed after the death of Sasakawa and the writer and LDP member Sono Ayako has been the head,for Sasakawa's sons are now pretty much legitimate member of the establishment and refused to take over.Second eldest son,Takashi is LDP diet member(shuugiin)and actually quite liberal man who promote women's right in the diet.third eldest son Youhei was also ex-diet member and philanthoropist for hansen's disease.

"Sasakawa's people protect Fujimori and basically get the immigration people to not really ask the difficult questions of Fujimori's nationality and place of birth."
Nippon Foundation is pretty much in the same league of AEI or HERITAGE foundation in the states.Fujimori was hired as security and counter terrorism expert.

Money for Fujimori was mostly from diet member(at the time) Tokuda Torao who is the owner of nationwide network of hospitals called Tokusyukai Group.Tokuda is a friend of Ishihara Shintaro and Tokuda wanted to get Ishihara to start new party of which Tokuda is the sponsor.Thus he paid for the most of the expense of Fujimori's stay in Tokyo along with his apartment.(before that Fujimori stayed in Sono's second house).

Current Japanese immigration law do not accept high figure as political exiles.(Only refugees and they have draconian regulation for accepting one)That is why Tokyo didn't offer protection to Kim Dae Jung in 1974.(and Kim didn't ask for it either for he rejected the request of not to start political actions against President Park in Japan,and this is a loooong story).Anyway Fujimori's Japanese citizenly is probably a hoax for that is the only way to justifies his protection.

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Thanks for the narrative, although I am insulted that you didn't think I know who Kodama is! I mean, he puts the yakuza, the uyoku, the CIA, the Unification Church, and the LDP altogether in the same circles. He's the greatest conspiracy figure ever! And people flew planes into his house.

"Anyway Fujimori's Japanese citizenly is probably a hoax for that is the only way to justifies his protection."

But should we not ask whether this kind of hoax is really something the government should be permitting at a high level?

"(before that Fujimori stayed in Sono's second house)."

That seems to indicate at least an implicit Nippon Foundation support of a fugitive right-wing politician. I thought they are supposed to be just feeding the sick and poor in the Third World.

"Sasakawa monopolized with Yakuza intrusion organized by Nippon Motorboat Shinkou Kyoukai.So it is their money now.not government's.And for the record Sasakawa did spend the money pretty good which makes his reputation complicated."

I would say this is very, very complicated but hey a friend of Mussolini is a friend to all, right?

Any comment on rumors that the Kenon talent agency is backed by the Sasakawa people...?

OK I'm still here.(For about another hour)
Actually it was the CIA who put all these ragtag of the villains in to one mad tea party.and I read an article recently that declassified U.S document showed either Kodama nor Sasakawa did fantastic job as a CIA agent.

"But should we not ask whether this kind of hoax is really something the government should be permitting at a high level? "

True.But here is my thought and no basis to back it up. In 1992 self-coup(Fuji-coup to Peruvian) by Fujimori to have state of emergenccy.During the coup Fujimori hide visited Japanese embassy without any mention in advance which put Japanese ambassador into the poition of defacto protection pf Fujimori in the embassy.

Now I say Fujimori told the ambassador at this stage that he can claim Japanese citizenship anytime and Japanese government have legal responsibility to protect him,something he has been denying during presidential election.But insisted to keep it as mutual secret.The Japanese ambassador's residence,we learned later during the MRTA hostage crisis,had been tapped by Peruvian intelligence led by General Vladimilo Montesinos,right hand man of Fujimori.So I would say as an armchair detective that they've been tapping the embassy too and recorded the conversation.By doing so Fujimori succesfully caught the ambassador and Japanese government into the web of his conspiracy.

Since GoJ didn't want have mess with the new Peruvian government,they wanted make things as calm as possible.For the predecessor of Albert Fujimori,Alan Garcia of APRA party had defected to France and then to Columbia with Peruvian economy in hyper inflation and human right abuses far more worth than that of Fujimori(In Garcia days, the death squad had killed about 1500.Fujimori days 29.This including 14 MRTA member during the hostage rescue mission.)
with these history GoJ didn't think media coverage and the kangaroo court in Lima would make Fujimori,a quasi-Pinochet like villain.

"That seems to indicate at least an implicit Nippon Foundation support of a fugitive right-wing politician. I thought they are supposed to be just feeding the sick and poor in the Third World. "
When I was in the States in the 80's,Alexandre Solzhenitsyn had his office in either Stanford or Hoover Institution.Old Alexandre was at the time already a harsh critic on any thing about America as much as Soviet Union,but I think he was considered as a fugitive right-wing writer who sides with the imperialist back home.

"I would say this is very, very complicated but hey a friend of Mussolini is a friend to all, right"
Mussolini was praised as the man who made Italian train run on time by The Fortune magazine at the time.And he was not doing well with Hitler either.The reputation of Il Duce at the time was pretty much like Lee Kuan Yew of Singapore today.

"Any comment on rumors that the Kenon talent agency is backed by the Sasakawa people...?"
No.But I was just reminded by the fact that Diamond co.was founded by Tsubouchi Yosio.Tsubouchi is known as one of four cadre of
Kodama gang.Tsuouchi also known as sokaiya and inside trader.Go check your company album.

lots of spelling mistakes and grammar errors.
I better go to NOVA.

"Go check your company album."

Nice lead.

[...Hes not so much an uyoku in the context we have been discussing...]

I didnt mean to suggest that he was. My point was whether we could infer authenticity or lack thereof from performance. Just like the Uyoku, Ishihara performed against communism. Was this authentic? Now, Ishihara is a pretty cynical chap, full of nationalist pride, who rails against communism and might well be said to be discomfited by Chinese rise. John Nathan recollects him scoffing at the Taikonauts. Yet, even if he was discomfited by Chinese ascendancy (and I dont mean to say that he was or is) - does that say anything about his anticommunism being insincere? The argument also applies to Uyoku. The either/or setup that you deployed in that question was the focus of my response.

[...never really gave them much benefit when it existed. What these systems did give them though was a place in the hierarchy...]

This is something of an inconsistency. A place in the heirarchy is of *utmost* importance. Years ago, William Goode produced the work: The Celebration of Heroes: Prestige as a Social Control System. Wealth devolves very quickly into power and power sustains itself within social structures held together by values; and the apportioning of prestige is one way by which these values are propagated. The perpetual occupation of racist America is the apportioning of prestige. That poor whites outranked almost all blacks is not simply a fact that can be dismissed as being without benefit. Of what use is the money of some rich black guy if it doesnt get him any respect, attention or recognition? Now you acknowledge this, so I dont see why you would say that the system provided them with no real benefits. Prestige is ultimate.

Now, as to the main point: do the Uyoku Koreans parrallel poor whites in the South in psychology?
This is an interesting question, one that I am not sure there is an answer for. Look at the following pairings:
Uyoku Koreans / Poor Whites
Uyoku Koreans / Okinawans
Uyoku Koreans / Ainu
Uyoku Koreans / Burakumin
Uyoku Koreans / Raj Era Sepoy and Gurhka regiments
Uyoku Koreans / Cossacks
Uyoku Koreans / Glovers Hausa Forces
Uyoku Koreans / ProJapanese Factions in the Choson Dynasty.

Do you still think that the psychology of the Koreans more closely resembles that of poor whites? Do you still think that they have the same psychology? IMO, These Koreans are a ways off from poor whites. Poor whites long for a system where they outranked blacks. For these, the return of the system represents a net gain in power. The return of the Imperial system, like you suggested, might herald the return of the One Race idea, but there is no net gain in power for these Koreans, since they never outranked anybody under the Imperial system. Could it be that these Koreans do not long for the return of the old system, but instead satiate their desire for power and prestige through associating with ideological causes that have no hope of being realized, indeed, which they hope will not be realized but instead exercises power in the present merely in the form of some kind of struggle/crime? It is not so much joining the cause because they are so oppressed and need to survive so they shack up with the enemy. One might as well go ahead and ask the eminently historical question: Those members of the Choson dynasty that collaborated with Japanese Imperial forces, did they do so because they were also being oppressed? I mean, who exactly was oppressing Korean royalty?

Anyone else regard the Uyoku / Police arrangement as a sort of "dead man's switch" in reverse? The Uyoku threat to foreign neighborhoods, embassies and leftist politicians and activists etc. is allowed to remain real and constant and is checked only at the last point by police in the street. This design is such that if one day, say in the event of a natural or manmade disaster or for some other reason, the Police do not show up at their positions, it will be open season for the Uyoku.

Mayor of Nagasaki has shot and dead last night.
The suspect is the local Yamaguchi-Gumi chief and an Uyoku.More later.

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